Category talk:Media made with AI

Just start the debate

I saw a debate between Rainbow Puppy and TheMoonandEarth talking about AI, with the former being overly critical of AI, while the other just blocked him for "bashing" the former's opinion, even though the obvious reason for it is because TheMoonandEarth shares the same opinion as SpaceProtagonist, so he obviously he went hard with disagreeing.

Now, I generally want to open this discussion, because debating through edits is not worth it, as it qualifies edit warring, and I'm honestly one of the more lenient people on it, and instead of locking it, I just open the debate.

Now, all I want you to do is provide your own explanation for your choices. I'll see what you have to say, and judge it.

Now, if you ask my stance on AI, I don't personally think it's bad, but I don't see any hope in the future for it, because with how corporations are handling it (cough cough Google Gemini), and the fact that I've seen people using it at school to essentially cheat (which epically backfired), I just don't see what's mainly helpful with it, and the only good things I can think of is to make funny stuff.

However, I still want to hear your sides, I mean, Ik your sides, but please back up your claims, and don't just do your choices without explaining why. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 19:30, June 15, 2024 (UTC)

The debate should not be about whether the usage of AI in media production is justified, but rather whether it's necessary for this wiki to have a category denoting pages about AI-generated media; as AI continues to evolve, more production companies will inevitably use it, which is why I believe the category does have utility and thus should be kept. Tali64³ (talk) 19:36, June 15, 2024 (UTC)

Agreed CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 19:37, June 15, 2024 (UTC)

For my AI stance, I don't think it's necessarily bad if used as a tool. It can be helpful in fact. The problem is when it is used to take over jobs of people, like animators and cooks. Yes, I acted aggressive on my edits and some may think I hate AI. I don't hate AI, I hate when used to take over jobs. It is a situation that should have more awareness in the grand scheme of things. Plus, I know opinion-bashing is not a good option in situations like this, but that is because, society is not gonna have a good impact when AI is in the lead. I even looked up that estimators are predicting of a second great depression in the 2030s with AI takeovers likely being one of the reasons. So, yeah, that is my stance on AI. It is why I think media completely made with AI should be forbidden from redeeming qualities because of their impact on society. Let me know if you have any questions and I will make a response. Rainbow Puppy (talk) 19:48, June 15, 2024 (UTC)

Estimators aren’t always right, remember 2012? They claimed the world would end that year, that wasn’t right, only God can see the future TheMoonandEarth (talk) 19:52, June 15, 2024 (UTC)

Well yeah they can be incorrect but its just a prediction, although history may repeat itself. Remember the Spanish flu pandemic of the late 1910s followed by the COVID pandemic in the early 2020s? Rainbow Puppy (talk) 19:59, June 15, 2024 (UTC)

why is this even a debate just list being made with AI as trivia or bad quality, if it's good and is made with ai put it in good media and if it's bad do the opposite ToTheEdge (talk) 20:15, June 15, 2024 (UTC)

And what does AI have to with the economy? TheMoonandEarth (talk) 20:18, June 15, 2024 (UTC)

People are still gonna lose jobs no matter what you think of AI, liking the quality of a product or not. And as I stated, media completely made with AI should be forbidden from good qualities. But media made with AI but has elements of human creativity can still have good qualities inserted in articles. Rainbow Puppy (talk) 20:45, June 15, 2024 (UTC)

now if you are willing to explain how does that make sense, its not promoting pedophilia, nazism, antisemitism, etc. also you are literally the same person who said Reynard the fox and the Jew animal shouldn't be forbidden from redeeming qualities due to it being a historical artifact and don't bother deleting it, i have a screenshot ToTheEdge (talk) 21:09, June 15, 2024 (UTC)

you said quote: "This was back in wartime, so the malice is justified. Seriously if this was post-WWII, I would it could've been forbidden from redeeming qualities definitely. But because this was wartime, this is a historical piece that deserves preserving, even if the malice is not excusable.

If you want the article this way, well, I can create a separate article for Tokio Jokio and make its redeeming qualities forbidden for being similar in context, even if on a different side of the world."

also go ahead create the tokio jokio page with no redeeming qualities it shouldn't have them either ToTheEdge (talk) 21:16, June 15, 2024 (UTC)

or media made completely with ai can be forbidden from the wiki ToTheEdge (talk) 21:19, June 15, 2024 (UTC)

"No redeeming qualities in media that promote terrorism, pedophilia, racism and Ai-made media. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArsonMurderAndJaywalking YouTubePoop2000 (talk) 21:11, June 15, 2024 (UTC) The problem is not AI. Is on how it's used. YouTubePoop2000 (talk) 21:14, June 15, 2024 (UTC)

ai made media should not be forbidden from them just due to it being made by ai why is this a fucking debate ToTheEdge (talk) 21:14, June 15, 2024 (UTC)

Ok, let me simplify this. There is no rule against a category like this or against AI-involved content having positive pointers, agree or disagree. There are no plans to add one. This should not be an edit war and if pointers are being removed on these grounds, that's not protected and you may get warned against for this (but there should not be blocks thrown out before a warning: blocks are a last resort if people ignore warnings, they should not be handed out willy nilly).

Rereading what this 'edit war' was about, Rainbow Puppy: as you are not an admin and the matter was not discussed among staff, you have no authorization to forbid pointers and you may incur a block in the future if you try to act as staff or make up rules. Indeed, no single moderator or even admin should take this decision alone: either staff should come to a consensus or this is properly discussed by the community before any rule is installed. This is the aforementioned warning.

@Rainbow Puppy and @TheMoonandEarth, is there anything more to discuss? --raidarr (💬) 21:20, June 15, 2024 (UTC)

Not really TheMoonandEarth (talk) 21:21, June 15, 2024 (UTC)

I do agree, and besides, major companies like Sony are starting to insert AI in films. May not affect writers and actors because of their agreement, but if media is completely made with AI, that is where a line is drawn. Rainbow Puppy (talk) 21:28, June 15, 2024 (UTC)

Still, you're not authorized to put in warnings, since you're not an admin or a mod, and this needs to be discussed, and most agree that it shouldn't be forbidden. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 21:29, June 15, 2024 (UTC)

That is where your line is drawn. If the wiki draws a line is a matter for community discussion and/or staff consensus. If you wish to see a rule implemented, start a discussion by blog or raise it on the main talk page. --raidarr (💬) 21:31, June 15, 2024 (UTC)

I may make a separate discussion about this issue at some point. And while I'm not staff, I may become a staff member at some point because I don't wanna deal with so much drama about AI. Rainbow Puppy (talk) 02:27, June 16, 2024 (UTC)

Wording of this page

It seems like it would be best for everyone to keep this category neutral, and then protect against obsessive anti-ai people and people who like it too much alike. @JalenHurtsFan1, I have made what I believe to be a neutral revision combining the old text with some better language. No opinionizing, just presenting what it is. I would as the page is protected this way to avoid further warring unless there is something problematic with my phrasing that needs to be fixed. --raidarr (💬) 09:38, October 5, 2024 (UTC)