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Butch Hartman

CJ, I need to speak with you about ChessGuy and the edits he's making to the category for Butch Hartman. You've probably noticed this, but he's adding this very long description, with content that's super unnecessary. I've tried to undo it, and explain that this was reversed before and pointless, but he insisted it stayed his way without explaining why. I'm not going risk starting drama, so maybe you can talk to him instead. SpaceProtagonist (talk) 03:14, November 18, 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sure, I'll respond to it. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 12:19, November 19, 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Permissions + rule change

Hello CJ, I wish to bring two things to your attention.

  • Potential users cannot create accounts. The createaccount right must be assigned to * through Special:ManageWiki/permissions.
  • Rule 14 (after a change by OA, now 13) needs to go. As mentioned on discord, the rule does not help in any way to purify or change how articles are written here and there is no copyright basis. Copy and pasting from the old wikis is fine if the original is mentioned and an archive link is given for good measure. And of course the page needs to be correct to the wiki's rules. Frankly the average featured article from old QP far exceeds the average article here so that should not be a problem.

Thank you,

--Raidarr (talk) 10:41, November 20, 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello All, the permission issue is a bad on my part--we had a bit of a spam raid a couple of weeks ago and removing the create account permission was a quick fix. I've added it back now. -- Original Authority (talk) 11:05, November 20, 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The spam raid in which i helped by banning all of the spammers. Robin (talk) 11:12, November 20, 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

So... Raidarr is also against this horrible rule.... I can't believe that.... Maybe there's hope for the users? Also I think Robin should get back the right because (for me) he has proofed to be really kind and helpful admin that taken literally every form of criticism. Szczypak 64 16:07, November 20 2023 (GMT+2)

Hey CJ

I wan't to create a page about a wiki called Desciclopedia (it's really bad), can i? Yoshi50Windows (talk) 20:36, November 21, 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Yoshi50Windows: unfortunately no, QP cannot support pages about wikis. --Raidarr (talk) 14:24, November 22, 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Yoshi50Windows: You can make one on Tiresome Wikis Wiki. Money12123 (contribs | sandbox) 01:07, November 23, 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Found this Discord Server that is against you

This might seem shocking but I have found a Discord that has seem to be against you. I even found out that you were a Threat to them. Can you please deal with it at once. Link Here:https://discord.gg/HDgU94Z9 22:00, December 22, 2023 (UTC)

Not much CJ can do about it really. If they'd move on like they promised ages ago there's nothing we'd want to do and I won't press after them if they mind their bloody business from here out. --Raidarr (talk) 00:57, December 22, 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Should DLC's get their own page?

I've been playing the Cyberpunk 2077 Phantom Liberty DLC, and it's been a blast so far! Should I make it a separate page, or should I just make another page with Cyberpunk 2023- to present) page? Drag0n (talk) 19:33, January 10, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nope. If you want to praise Phantom Liberty, make it as a different category in the Cyberpunk page. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 19:55, January 10, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Better yet make it a section within the page that discusses the DLC. There is really no need to split things off into so many pages: one properly written page can cover a subject, including if it gets better from the start or vice versa. --Raidarr (talk) 21:59, January 10, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't think so because when we had DLC expansion pages on the Games Wikis back on Miraheze, they sorta cluttered the wikis a bit, so DLC is better off as pointers in existing pages instead. SuperStreetKombat (talk) 00:40, January 12, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There is an stupid user that hates you and gave me a foe request

He is called NFromMurderDrones Yoshi50Windows (talk) 20:50, February 18, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I have noticed the same thing. I've even seen a Link that could be a Possible Virus Andrewgtv05 (talk) 21:44, February 18, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    If it is a virus website, then you should be more careful what websites you leave links to. SuperStreetKombat (talk) 22:41, February 18, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    My sis talked about this virus, which is also a meme. It's infamous. Don't touch it. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 11:07, February 19, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    This site was made by one of my favorite youtubers, Endermanch, it was just made as a tech demo to modern JavaScript. It's not a virus. Click the "safe" link for no script. Yoshi50Windows (talk) 20:09, February 27, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

About Spec Ops: The Line

I know you deleted that page because it was copy-paste, but I'll put a note about it on the top. Hope you won't mind me recreating this page with some minor change. KENNY STEWART 6284 (talk) 04:15, February 23, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Go ahead with these changes then. I'll undelete it CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 07:51, February 23, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

CJ, can we discuss something?

The Disney page should he moved to the 2020s. YouTubePoop2000 (talk) 17:59, April 27, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes i agree, they were awesome in 90s and especially 2000s. Rick and Morty should also be moved to seasons 1-4, 6-present, those seasons were still postively received, aside from fourth which received mixed while fifth received negative. Marvgaming (talk) 18:28, April 27, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And Nickelodeon to (2013-present), yeah they made some bad shows but thats nothing compared to 2013 onwards, or atleast to 2010-present, because nothing actually went downhill or declined in 2000s. Marvgaming (talk) 18:34, April 27, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
i agree with them, if it recieved positive reviews why is it in negative? ToTheEdge (talk) 23:39, April 27, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Here is a cookie dawg

Choco chip cookie.png Nice job on that rick and morty page dude Deshun Nuts (talk) 18:39, April 29, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

About Your Move War

CJ we need to discuss this move war you've had going on, with the rick and morty pages, you can't be treating your opinions as facts, this is a RECEPTION wiki not an opinion wiki, just because you do not like the seasons doesn't mean they aren't good according to audiences and critics so i'm going to ask you for the last time WHERE ARE YOUR SOURCES or is it gonna be like the metal gear rising meme - ToTheEdge (talk) 21:04, April 30, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yeah along with always keep moving nickeldeon downfall to 2009 instead of 2013 and disney to 1994 instead of late 2010s and 2020s. Marvgaming (talk) 21:10, April 30, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
CJ, I would like you to explain your basis for these actions and to justify each of them (rick & morty, nickelodeon, disney) specifically with the sources you are using to justify what seem to be contested page moves. Best practice if there is a dispute is to put your sources on the table and decide based on the evidence available, not allege you have your reasons and play the admin card. I disagree that some off hand youtube videos override general audience reception, even if they sound reasonable especially if those reviews are not provided front and center and no attempt is made to explain yourself using the proper methods (namely talk pages). --raidarr (💬) 13:56, May 1, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
i really hope this doesn't come down to contacting OA because he warned the wiki once, not so sure he'll do it again. ToTheEdge (talk) 14:13, May 1, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There's no reason something this trivial needs to escalate to OA. However I would like CJ to do the adminly thing to do in this case, especially seeing as he's holding onto the bureaucrat slot. --raidarr (💬) 14:41, May 1, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
yeah well maybe since he isn't acting the part he shouldn't have it this is like the 3rd-4th time i've suggested an RFC or poll ToTheEdge (talk) 21:53, May 2, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Bro, it's not my opinion that Rick and Morty still hasn't recovered, in fact, I only watched the first episode of season 4, a couple of episodes in season 5, and only watched one episode of season 6 (which was the third episode), it's the general consensus that states it hasn't fully recovered. Don't exclusively consult the fandom, Rotten Tomatoes, and IMDb (especially since they can be faked), you should also see the YouTubers, and they state it still hasn't recovered.
For Nickelodeon, the main reason why I constantly move the page to 2009-present is because 2009-2012 was when they released some of the absolute worst things of the entire channel (Fred Trilogy, as well the show, the downfall of SpongeBob, Planet Sheen, The Last Airbender, Fanboy and Chum Chum and so on), and just because they released good shows during this era doesn't mean they didn't go downhill in this period, and by that logic, we should delete the Nickelodeon page entirely, because after all, they still release good shows.
As for the Disney page, the direct-to-video sequels, the Jumbo Pictures stuff, their dark age in the 2000s, are sufficient enough to prove that they went downhill during this era. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 14:46, May 1, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I also love the hypocrisy that ToTheEdge said that I'm treating opinions as facts when you just consulted one person's opinion on the show and treated it as definitive fact that the show has recovered. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 14:52, May 1, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
actually that's a fair point imma leave this discussion ToTheEdge (talk) 14:54, May 1, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"The general consensus" is not a source. Rotton Tomatoes and IMDb can be biased especially with review bombing but I'm going to need more than 'they can be faked' to completely discount them as they're still a more reliable gague of what the wider internet thinks barring clearer sources. If you have youtube videos that have a like ratio to rival a conflicting tomatoes score then I'm all ears. Otherwise what you're doing is arbitrarily picking what to accept. If you want the general consensus then it's your responsibility to state the consensus, namely, provide the case. It's the least you can do if engaging in a conflict and this is something that should be standard for someone at admin level. "The Youtubers" are not a homogenous organization. They are not a single source. They're people who make reviews in video format, sometimes in wild contradiction with each other.
Don't tempt me regarding deleting Nickelodeon entirely, a forever biased nitpick page - but I digress. Better you find a common ground and that's where going back to making a measure between available sources comes in. Obviously these should be handled one case at a time. This case should then be easily available on each conflicted page. --raidarr (💬) 14:55, May 1, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
disregard my last comment, i don't really have a dog in this fight except for disney and nickelodeon. yeah sure Fanboy & Chum Chum is atrocious and sure the direct to video sequels may have been garbage and most of the live action remakes are garbage too but that doesn't mean they were explicitly bad in these eras, releasing 4 or 5 bad shows/movies compared to like 7 good ones (just an example) doesn't explicitly make it a bad era as there are still more good shows/movies than bad ones. also CJ i'm just siding with Batboy234 and TheMoonandearth, batboy brought up a good point that Rick and Morty is still well regarded except for season 5 . ToTheEdge (talk) 15:05, May 1, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
7 decent shows vs 5 worst, who will win? Absolute garbage or sufficiently decent? CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 15:07, May 1, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
again it's an example, i can see an argument for 2013- onward nickelodeon due to them dropping absolute shit like Breadwinners, Sanjay and Craig, and Pig, Goat, Banana, Cricket, but i do not see the argument for 2009-2012 nick, that's a minor decline and disney made a few bad decisions in the 2000's and 2010's but the shit-good ratio didn't start ramping up out of control until the 2020's where they started straight up disrespecting their franchises (looking at you Marvel and live-action remakes) ToTheEdge (talk) 15:12, May 1, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Technically, i might have agreed that Disney went downhill in late 2010s since in 2017 is when they started the awful trend of terrible remakes, but in early to late 2000s, they were at its peak. Marvgaming (talk) 15:14, May 1, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Those shows you mentioned on Nick, only Breadwinners was the worst during this era, the others are just plain bad. Plus, don't forget they made other shows like The Loud House, Pinky Malinky, Glitch Techs, and Harvey Beaks, and those shows were pretty decent/good. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 15:17, May 1, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
except the loud house has gone downhill after season 3 and the others while good, ended too early. Marvgaming (talk) 15:19, May 1, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
i know they made good shows but i'm just pointing out some truly awful shows that aired during this era ToTheEdge (talk) 15:25, May 1, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Compared to 2009-2012, the bad shows since 2013 are mostly tame in comparison. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 19:34, May 2, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wrong, there was Sanjay and Craig, the entirety of Nickcoms (especially The Thundermans), Pig Goat Banana Cricket, Get Blake, The last two seasons of FOP, The Adventures of Kid Danger, seasons 4 onwards of The Loud House, Breadwinners, Monsters vs Aliens (TV series), Alvin and the Chipmunks (2015), Bunsen is a Beast, Kamp Koral and The Patrick Star Show, etc, so no, no way in hell this is tame compared to 2009-2012 (especially 2009), atleast they still had a handful of good shows to still be slightly good, unlike in 2013, where there is absolutely none that is actually good, and even if there is it either goes downhill due to seasonal rot or ends very fast lasting only 1 or 2 seasons. Marvgaming (talk) 19:48, May 2, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • There was nothing good since 2013*
Since when shows that last two seasons don't count anymore? Plus, this was also the case for shows during 2009-2012, and what I mean by tame is that the shows since 2013, yeah, are still bad, but at least they're tamer compared to something like fricking Fred: The Show, the absolute worst Nickcom, and that released in 2012. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 19:57, May 2, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
atleast that one actually ended faster, also it barely aired in my country, but even than, atleast it doesn't try to be hip and modern to appeal to 2012 kids, unlike in 2013 ever since the thunderman came out, and neither did it had excessive foot fetishes jokes like most dan schnider shows since 2014's Henry Danger so no, there are worse shows than this. atleast 2009 & 2010 (and to a lesser extent 2011 & 2012) didn't try to appeal to younger kids and be hip at all. And again name other things that went downhill in 2000s, aside feom Ren and stimpy in 2003 and spongebob squarepants in 2008, because those are the only things that went downhill, family guy, el chavo animado and johnny test doesn't count as the seasonal rot became more noticeable in 2010. Marvgaming (talk) 20:44, May 2, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Again, hip and cool doesn't dictate the quality, even Raidarr says it doesn't change anything, and the foot fetishes jokes in Dan's sitcoms even existed before Thundermans and Henry Danger. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 20:47, May 2, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Actually it does, because it means that the entitled show is mainly for kids and not also adults or teens who weren't born in 2010s, also do you have something against the 90s and 2000s era?, you constantly move the nick page to 2009-present instead of atleast 2011-present and disney to 1994-present instead of atleast 2017-present. We are sick of you constantly moving pages, even batboy (one of the admins) is getting sick of keep moving the rick and morty page. Again, nothing went downhill in those eras, it was the golden age for everything, most of the stuff went downhill in mid 2010s and especially 2020s. Marvgaming (talk) 21:04, May 2, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The hip and cool stuff doesn't mean anything, because a lot of the things they do that are supposed to "pander towards kids" are stuff we still do to this very say like duck lips (which I never do cuz I find them cringeworthy), words like "LOL, OMG" and words like those, and other stuff. So yeah, it's pretty moot, since all the things we're criticizing are the same things we do, and we're not kids btw. As for the Disney page, I'll allow to be moved. However, it will be moved to 2003-present instead, since Roy E Disney retired that year and the first president that was not part of the Disney family to be hired was Michael Eisner, who Roy said that turned the company into a rapacious, soulless company. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 12:27, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also, keep in mind that I watched cartoons dating all the way back to the 50s and 60s, so the time when the shows were released are not the problem. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 12:28, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Btw, speaking of Rick and Morty, here are the sources that prove the show went downhill:
Season 4: https://www.metacritic.com/tv/rick-morty/season-7/ (Metacritic)
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/rick_and_morty/s04 (Rotten Tomatoes)
(Btw, even one of the users admitted it received mixed reviews)
Season 5: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/rick_and_morty/s05 (Rotten Tomatoes, and before telling that season 5 should be also deleted, I have to clarify it had a much worse reception for a while, 51 to 59%. Idk why it improved, but heh, I guess it's that they deleted negative reviews)
https://web.archive.org/web/20221114020802/https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/rick_and_morty/s05 (Ditto, but old)
https://www.metacritic.com/tv/rick-morty/season-5/ (Metacritic)
Season 6: https://web.archive.org/web/20230205021450/https://www.metacritic.com/tv/rick-morty/season-6/ (Metacritic, old)
https://www.metacritic.com/tv/rick-morty/season-6/ (current)
Season 7: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/rick_and_morty/s07 (Rotten Tomatoes)
https://www.metacritic.com/tv/rick-morty/season-7/ (Metacritic)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blU1tdY0Csk&t=1s&pp=ygUXcmljayBhbmQgbW9ydHkgZG93bmZhbGw%3D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJEi9fuAqCI&t=16s&pp=ygUXcmljayBhbmQgbW9ydHkgZG93bmZhbGw%3D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ECdJ5QReQ0&t=963s&pp=ygUXcmljayBhbmQgbW9ydHkgZG93bmZhbGw%3D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n3W_W3oSAY&pp=ygUXcmljayBhbmQgbW9ydHkgZG93bmZhbGw%3D
https://youtu.be/4PZVnipjPqc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsomB5WVst4&pp=ygUXcmljayBhbmQgbW9ydHkgZG93bmZhbGw%3D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s5hVltK5so&pp=ygUXcmljayBhbmQgbW9ydHkgZG93bmZhbGw%3D
https://youtu.be/JDc-rekETfI CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 15:19, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
CJ R&M season 4 has an 85% from users and a 96% from critics, season 5 has 63% from users and an 86% from critics, now season 7 i can see as that has a 47% from users despite the 75% from critics, season 6 has an 86 from critics and a 7.2 from users. LITERALLY THE ONLY ONES I CAN SEE ARE SEASONS 4 & 7 ToTheEdge (talk) 15:25, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Dude, you should also look at the archived pages, because you should understand the initial receptions, how people initially thought of them, because it's not uncommon for seasons to have their receptions improved throughout time. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 15:27, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Plus, what's with the cherry picking? Did you even see the videos at least? CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 15:28, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
the internet archive isn't working right now so i can't see those and i don't have the attention span nor interest to look at the youtube videos on my phone ToTheEdge (talk) 15:34, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Your argument that you have a short attention span is just as good as the "I ain't reading all that" argument. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 15:38, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
yeah i know that, also you still haven't proven your point about rick and morty's downfall because there are at least 4 good seasons (1-3 & 6) at least from what i've seen also if it sucks no matter if people go back or not it's still gonna suck, if the reception improves over time people are gonna think "hey this actually didn't suck" ToTheEdge (talk) 16:02, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
also i prefer something to give a definitive score ToTheEdge (talk) 16:03, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
and adding to this are these sources even allowed, maybe take a look at the source reliability-o-meter ToTheEdge (talk) 16:06, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Bro, don't come up with the excuse of the Source Reliability o Meter for Rotten Tomatoes and IMDb, they're on questionable for a reason, because they can be legit, in spite of their flaws. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 16:09, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
i was talking about the youtubers also please just open a poll for the contentious ones to see what the majority thinks ToTheEdge (talk) 16:11, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also, it's difficult to get something like that CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 16:06, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Funny you say that considering Seasons 5 and 6 got this, and yet you still agree that season 5 sucks. The better reception is also likely due to the negative reviews being deleted on Rotten Tomatoes. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 16:05, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
and so what? those could've easily been review bombed ToTheEdge (talk) 16:06, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Season 5 gets easily bombed for no reason at all? That's new CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 16:12, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
i'm saying those could have been review bombed because some youtuber said it sucked, i know this is a different form of media but it happened on metacritic with sonic frontiers when videogamedunkey gave his opinion on it ToTheEdge (talk) 16:14, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Most of the videos came out AFTER season 5 ended or at least midway through the run, when people already formed their opinions. So, no, the argument just doesn't work CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 16:16, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
okay let's see an RFC or poll why do you have to be so fucking difficult about this ToTheEdge (talk) 16:17, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
RfCs are mostly reserved to professional things, not stupid pages changes, while polls are generally dumb, because it would simply allow people to chose one option without explaining why CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 16:20, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
okay but it would end the fucking bitching session that's been going on for way longer than it has any given right to ToTheEdge (talk) 16:22, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Then should we end it right now? CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 16:24, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
yes open the fucking RFC and end this ToTheEdge (talk) 16:24, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
and not just for rick and morty but for nickelodeon, disney, and spongebob (maybe just my opinion season 9 is a really mixed bag) ToTheEdge (talk) 16:25, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
also i hope you've taken raidarr's suggestion to step down ToTheEdge (talk) 16:28, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
i can speak for multiple people here when i say we are done with this discussion and you as a bureaucrat ToTheEdge (talk) 16:37, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
you've been outvoted ToTheEdge (talk) 16:37, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
again RFC or poll this is probably the 6th time i've suggested it ToTheEdge (talk) 16:08, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
also i did not say that i think season 5 sucks, i said i can see it being in bad media based off of it's reception even if it's surprisingly positive, ToTheEdge (talk) 16:10, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That still isn't enough, there are many people who actually miss the 2000s Disney, shitty direct to video sequels aside, most of their other films are awesome, and they are not just well known for films they also made hundreds of amazing ahows, most notably Kim Possible in 2002 which made the channel alot popular than before, unlike in 2020s when while there are still some great shows, their films are mostly just bad. Also the youtubers take about rick and morty seasons 4-present aren't really fully trusted, there are lots of great episodes on season 4, 6 and 7, also despite their small downfall in 2009-2012 atleast theh didn't try to be hip and cool for kids like in 2013, and there are times where they actually released good shows, since 2013 thought, it's very rarely and most of it are just plain bad. Which further proves that nothing went downhill in 2000s and 90s. (Except for Ren and Stimpy when Adult Party Cartoon came out in 2003, outside of that, that's it, nothing else went downhill). Marvgaming (talk) 14:55, May 1, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Just because they weren't hip and cool doesn't mean they were good. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 16:25, May 1, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
this isn't going anywhere ToTheEdge (talk) 16:28, May 1, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
that's it listen to Batboy234, Marvgaming and TheMoonandEarth and DO NOT MOVE THE PAGES ANYMORE or i will take it to OA ToTheEdge (talk) 17:14, May 2, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Don't bring OA into this discussion, since it's basically whiny babies (we're all them, except Raidarr) whining about stuff that's too petty to involve OA. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 19:35, May 2, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Uh... why did you indefinitely lock the Nickelodeon page? SuperStreetKombat (talk) 20:27, May 2, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Because we still have to discuss about this, as it's not been resolved yet. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 20:31, May 2, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, if you're gonna lock a page to admins only, then why do not do so for only a few days or a week rather than indefinitely? Now no one who isn't a staff member will ever be able to edit it again unless someone who IS a staff member can remove its protection. SuperStreetKombat (talk) 21:45, May 2, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Because he doesn't want to bother listening to other people's point of views at least that's the way it seems to me this discussion's gone on for two fucking days ToTheEdge (talk) 21:09, May 2, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree, i give up. Marvgaming (talk) 21:10, May 2, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Cj if you can't be bothered to listen to other people's pov's or suggestions then you don't deserve to be a bureaucrat i do not give a flying fuck that you founded this wiki, you have shown that you need to take a step back from the wiki's until you can show enough maturity to actually listen to us. this bullshit right here is what caused old qualitipedia to shut down and if you can't learn from it then you should be replaced by someone who can. ToTheEdge (talk) 21:25, May 2, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
also i keep suggesting an RFC or poll but have you listened to that. no you haven't that would end this whole bitching session real quick. ToTheEdge (talk) 21:27, May 2, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
uhhh CJ, the downfall of spongebob happened in 2008. but i you're right that the downfall of nickelodeon happened in 2009 Yoshi50Windows (talk) 19:32, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yeah, batboy234 would be a better bureaucrat then CJ.--TheMoonandEarth (talk) 21:26, May 2, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

i was thinking SuperStreetKombat but okay ToTheEdge (talk) 21:27, May 2, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Anyway, the wiki might have to just die if this doesn’t stop and CJ continues this session. TheMoonandEarth (talk) 21:28, May 2, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
and i don't want it to die i like this wiki, it's fun to browse. that's why i think CJ no longer should hold any authority in the wiki, i don't think he should be blocked, i think he should be demoted and still be allowed a voice in matters but he needs to have consequences. ToTheEdge (talk) 21:36, May 2, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Or we can just hire a few new admins or mods. This wiki could have soke more of those after all. SuperStreetKombat (talk) 21:43, May 2, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
my suggestion remains TheMoonandEarth ToTheEdge (talk) 21:45, May 2, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
there's also TheSun42 but they're admins on the music reception wiki's so idk bout that, maybe SpaceProtagonist or SlashcraftGaming ToTheEdge (talk) 21:47, May 2, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Exactly, even the retired Robin1020th would be a better bureaucrat. Atleast he listened to its users Marvgaming (talk) 21:28, May 2, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I wish he was still there Marvgaming (talk) 21:34, May 2, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Batboy has expressed no interest in advancement, SSK I frankly do not wish to see in the admin seat: still open to candidates for mods who can advance up, if TheSun, SpaceProtagonist or SlashcraftGaming want to give it a try they need but message me. I've expressed a few times that the need still exists. Robin showed no aptitude for management and would not be considered even if he he didn't go on a tantrum and permanently destroy his chances here. Bureaucrat is a technical position and the last line of defense: it requires skills mediating disputes and/or strong skills with the software. Regrettably, CJ lacks both

I will say, CJ: you need to recuse from this one immediately and let another admin take on this, because you have failed to listen to advice that would actually address this situation correctly and have gone into petty arguments based on personal opinion and unmentioned sources, unbecoming of someone with an admin role. If Batboy, Pacman, SSK, or some new candidate per above are willing to actually deal with this situation based on clear sources which you have failed to provide to me either here or on discord, they should handle it instead. I've given SSK crap for how he's handled things but in this case even he's had to reproach your handling. A big block of users and staff strongly disagreeing with you is not a good sign.

In light of your limited activity or contributions to the staffing of the wiki I'm also going to ask you to consider stepping down. This wiki has always been in a strange position with you as bureaucrat and it's time for it to shape up. I don't mean this as an insult, only to say that you happened to be the first person interested enough to request the wiki and unfortunately that just isn't enough to be a decent mediator. I think it's time to hand over control to people who can be more consistently balanced, in addition to enabling a new generation of staff who can deal with issues professionally. I will stick around long enough until there is a healthy crew of admins & bureaucrats with the right skills to balance each other out.

Regarding this immediate problem I don't see why we're bitching about dates when all that needs to happen with Nintendo or Disney for example is just dropping the date nonsense and writing the page so it flows by time period if different notes apply to different times. It's the merged wiki, I don't know why we insist on obsolete date splits: that argument should have never started.

--raidarr (💬) 08:51, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I gave a response to you on Discord. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 11:55, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If you really think that I have the experience (time and edit wise) I suppose I could consider learning about the conditions and responsibilities for the position. I'll manage what I can but I can't guarantee I'll always be able to attend. At first I thought this wiki would be an improvement. But when people do a negative page they get WAY too sensitive and not all of the pointers are valid or reasonable. I don't want it all to spiral out of control. SpaceProtagonist (talk) 12:37, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
i feel like i could the position of moderator like batboy right now as i've got the time even if i've been slightly less active moderator, step in whenever i need to deal with a vandal, protect pages when needed, and also delete pages when needed ToTheEdge (talk) 15:17, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Same with me Marvgaming (talk) 15:18, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm actually not opposed to the idea of outright removing dates from pages; I've actually been thinking about that for a while since stuff like that can result in move wars and those dates seem to be very subjective and based on one's personal opinions. Not to mention that dates can also clutter the titles of pages. SuperStreetKombat (talk) 19:56, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Could we theoretically merge the pages since this is a merged wiki? It would save all the date nonsense and allow the reader to see all the knowledge on the subject without going to a different page. Nopunintendo (talk) 20:20, May 6, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We absolutely can and ought to, this would solve 2 out of 3 contentions here for the most part. --raidarr (💬) 21:40, May 6, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
is that available to mods or is it admin+ also i do think good/bad eras of shows should have their own page instead of being merged because it allows for more detail on those eras but that's just me (i'm adding to something you said earlier about the pages overall slant being based on the general reception) ToTheEdge (talk) 21:49, May 6, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I guess this discussion would never have become so long if CJ had listened to the users. So, I agree with Raidarr. He's not a bad user, but he's not a good fit as a bureaucrat here, even if he founded this wiki YouTubePoop2000 (talk) 13:03, May 4, 2024 (UTC) Guys, enough of this discussion. We're over 80 comments and we're not getting anywhere. YouTubePoop2000 (talk) 17:13, May 4, 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]