Talk:Electronic Arts (2012-present)/Archive 1

Enough is enough with the move warring already!!!!

Okay, this is getting really out of control, and I'm getting so sick and tired of this constant move warring of the page. Like, seriously, have you all NOT learned your lesson from the move warring of the Modern Disney page!?!? Seriously, you guys. Enough is freaking enough!!!! SlashcraftGaming (talk) 01:02, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

@TheMoonandEarth, and @CJWorldGame32125, Get your asses over here, i offered a suggestion to Cj a while back to move it to 2010-present, because they were a good company for a while, i'm not irritated at CJ unlike with TheMoonandEarth who i am irritated at, Moon, you are a goddamn moderator, your job is to settle these fucking disputes not start them, and Cj i only called you over here so you could come to an agreement with the other guy ToTheEdge (talk) 01:07, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Precisely, though I probably wouldn't have used such volatile language. Tali64³ (talk) 01:13, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

sorry, Moon usually acts better than and him acting like this is what's getting on my nerves ToTheEdge (talk) 01:15, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Ok, sorry for this, I really detest the fact that the EA page is normally their whole history and not just 2017 present because they used to be good TheMoonandEarth (talk) 01:30, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

move warring is not the solution though, open a discussion on the corresponding talk page and if CJ doesn't want to listen then that's on him, again move warring will not solve anything and is unbecoming of somebody in an administrative position, and that goes for both of you ToTheEdge (talk) 01:33, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

I know why can’t he learn that move warring and arguing in the talk pages make us look like first graders fighting in a playground during fricking recess. TheMoonandEarth (talk) 01:36, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

i sent him a message, and if he doesn't respond let Tali, SpaceProtagonist and/or Pacman deal with it ToTheEdge (talk) 01:40, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Moon is right, they didn't do anything bad till 2017 before they became the microtransactions house they became known for starting with Star Wars Battlefront 2, along with Activision till 2013, all of the companies (along with Disney) had better history in the 90s and 2000s, most of their downfall only started in either 2013 or 2017, thank god that Aega's downfall was moved from 2001-present to 2014-present (and dont try to move it back to 2000s). Robin (talk) 07:52, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

"They didn't do anything bad until 2017" Then what about them cancelling Thrill Kill when it was complete because they didn't think it would be appropriate for the audiences even though it was rated AO, what about when they won twice Worst Company in America in 2012 and 2013? What about when they launched SimCity 2013 in a disastrous state? What about when they started monopolizing and acquiring big name studios since the 2000s? What about when they cancelled projects when they bought Bioware? What about when they did absolutely nothing when the workplace at BioWare wad a nightmare during development of Mass Effect Andromeda and Anthem? What about when they forced Spore to use SecuROM, one of the most criticized DRMs in history? Funny how you guys blatantly omit what I say to prove your stupid points. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 08:57, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Just because thrill kill is cancelled that doesn't mean it's really a bad thing, also it's still a playable game after all i can play it on pc with emulator without any problem, just because they won the award doesn't mean shit, also academy awards in general are a joke, despite the terrible launch of sincity 2013 atleast it's playable now, No Man's Sky suffered from the same issue, how the fuck is that even a bad thing, yes they did cancelled it so what?, those are 2017 news, atleast that spore problem has been fixed, they might have some issues before 2017, but atleast stop unmoving the title, atleast move it in 2012 just not 2000s so everyone can be happy, also again, nothing went downhill nor declined in those years till 2010s (tv shows, companies, etc). Robin (talk) 09:45, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

First of all, Thrill Kill was highly anticipated, and the fact that you can now play it on PC with emulation doesn't change jack shit, they cancelled it, and the build being leaked is a superficial benefit. Just because they fixed the games doesn't change jackshit. By that logic, EA themselves redeemed due to them fixing SWBF2, and the awards themselves are not a joke, they are not Academy Awards, they were voted by people and awarded by the Consumerist. Continue to dismiss what I say and you will receive a temporary ban. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 09:51, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Also worth pointing out that you blatantly omitted my point of EA's strategy of monopoly, that dates as far back as the 90s. Nice strawman argument out there CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 10:14, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Alright alright, everyone, stop fighting like first graders on a playground, Despite all these issues EA still had a whole lot of good games in the 2000s like:

1. • Madden NFL games on the PS2
   • FIFA games on the PS2
   • NHL games on the PS2
   • MVP Baseball games on the PS2
   • NBA Live games on the PS2
   • Crysis
   • Battlefield 2
   • Dead Space
   • Skate
   • The Sims
   • Medal of Honor games like Frontline
   • Burnout Revenge
   • Dragon Age: Origins
   • Brutal Legend
   • And there’s more to count.

TheMoonandEarth (talk) 10:26, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, finally someone acknowledged that. Robin (talk) 10:29, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

personally i'm more of a Rising Sun/Airborne guy but yeah they had a lot of great games before 2010/2011 and had some gems after ToTheEdge (talk) 14:03, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

and you better not abuse your power cj i have no issue with blocking an admin, i won't if you don't, but i will if you block him over nothing, there are no rule violations happening here, therefore you cannot block him, if you choose to proceed i will block you ToTheEdge (talk) 14:35, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

He can unblock himself and demote you, this is juvenile. Take admin conduct concerns to the bureaucrats: the people who can and should address abuses of power. --raidarr (💬) 16:02, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

i reported to tali ToTheEdge (talk) 16:04, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

i should also take this to Space and Pacman ToTheEdge (talk) 16:05, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

and yeah, i'm not solving anything, i'm gonna step back from this argument and rethink my approach ToTheEdge (talk) 16:06, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

btw i moved it to 2011-present in an attempt to come to an agreeable solution ToTheEdge (talk) 16:16, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

it wasn't that it wouldn't be appropriate for audiences, it was that it was too violent and most likely would've been a commercial failure, if they weren't forced to recall it ToTheEdge (talk) 14:32, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Here's what i'm going to do, i'm going to move it to 2012 present however i want there to be mentions of the things they did before 2012 specifically how they destroyed Ultima, Command & Conquer, etc. i don't know how we never came to the agreement of using the "this will cover some of the things they did during X and Y as they weren't exactly saints during that time" like so many other pages do ToTheEdge (talk) 19:50, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

That's better, and if CJ still doesn't agree, he should be demoted, also that's the same thing i did for the roblox page, i did say they went downhill in 2016 but also mentioned a few flaws they had in previous years. Robin (talk) 19:54, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

You’re welcome and plus, I forgot to mention that Madden NFL games from those years were extremely popular and beloved, Same goes with NBA Live, with some considering it better than 2K at the time.--TheMoonandEarth (talk) 10:32, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

The library of games doesn't change jackshit. By that logic, the Tencent page should be deleted, because the redeeming qualities state that they publish a lot of good and decent games, and therefore, it should be deleted. You guys genuinely have generetional bias, meaning that you're biaded thinking the 2000s are far better. Let me ask you one thing, were you even born in the 2000s? I'm speaking as someone who was born in 2008. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 10:34, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

The same argument can be applied to Nintendo. They published a lot of good games during the Wii U and 3DS era, that overshadowed the bad ones, and yet we claim they went downhill. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 10:39, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Bruh, of course the 2000s are far better, and i was born in 2000s, 2006 precisely. Robin (talk) 10:51, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Don't let nostalgia get the best of you, and affect your opinion on EA. I could stay here and say the 2010s are far better, but you wouldn't know, because you might not have had the same experience. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 10:56, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Bruh, it's not just about EA, it's games and animated shows in general too. Robin (talk) 11:13, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Generational bias right there. A lot of games and animated shows have been released in the 2010s, and they're pretty good. So really, the whole "old better than new" really falls flat when you actually think about it, and by that I mean use your brain. I'm speaking as someone who thinks that the 2010s and 2020s are equally good in terms of quality. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 11:16, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

CJ you need to grow the fuck up, you are an admin, not a first grader, i started this so you could come to an agreement not start a fight, for some reason you have a severe inability to argue politely (that is not an oxymoron), and i'm fucking done with it, either come to an agreement or drop the subject ToTheEdge (talk) 14:06, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

besides EA wasn't always bad, you're cherry picking things they did, are you just going to ignore games like Burnout Paradise, the Medal of Honor games, i can't really think of any more because i don't really play all too many EA games not because there is no argument, if they were always bad then prove it , cite sources, etc and please just give timestamps for yt videos alongside the link or summarize it ToTheEdge (talk) 14:30, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Even Activision wasn't always bad, good to see i ain't the only one. Robin (talk) 14:51, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

i'm sick and tired of the drama ToTheEdge (talk) 15:13, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

also it's not hard to win against CJ when all his arguments are fallacious (Ad Hominem, Hasty Generalization, etc) ToTheEdge (talk) 15:15, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

• Ad hominem: I focused more on deconstructing the points, while you idiots' only arguments are "THEY PUBLISHED GOOD GAMES IN THE PAST, AND THEREFORE, THEY WERE GOOD!!!", which is a delusional mentality, and the closest thing to Ad hominem is talking about your generational bias.
• Hasty generalization: WTF? I did not generalize anything. It's supposed to prove my point that EA was always bad from the start. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 16:40, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Not going to bring sources because after all, you said you don't have enough attention span in the past, so what's the point, if you're going to dismiss it? CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 16:41, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Some may consider that the problem has been resolved, but I still don't completely agree. Despite its failures before 2017, no company is perfect, and these failures are few compared to after, so... Also, the 2000s are, yes, better. By CJ's logic, Resident Evil 6 is better than the previous games, Mario 3D All-Stars and Sonic Origins are better than the original games, and Fallout 1 and 2 are worse than 76. YouTubePoop2000 (talk) 15:23, July 2, 2024 (UTC) Furthermore, the way CJ responded to Robin and TheMoonAndEarth's arguments were so rude that it didn't even seem like they came from an administrator, but rather from someone nine years old who likes to pick fights. YouTubePoop2000 (talk) 15:23, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Or Doom 3 BFG edition is better than Doom 3 original 2004 release. That logic makes absolutely no sense. Robin (talk) 16:50, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Ok, you're now making things up with your mind, I never stated 2010s better than 2000s, I pointed out the generational bias, and I stated that I don't make past better than new argument. Also your argument can be pretty debunked easily and can be used against you. For example, Sonic Unleashed is better than Sonic Mania? Mega Man X7 is better than Mega Man X Dive? CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 17:00, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Yes, Sonic Unleashed is better than Sonic Mania. Next question... YouTubePoop2000 (talk) 17:28, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

You know, it's actually very funny that you say this when you literally previously said this infamous line: Don't let nostalgia get the best of you, and affect your opinion on EA. I could stay here and say the 2010s are far better, but you wouldn't know, because you might not have had the same experience. Robin (talk) 17:09, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

That's a general issue with you. I stand by the fact that 2010s and 2020s are equally good, and that example is a generalization, I don't really mean it. It's your nostalgia that affects you. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 17:15, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

don't worry i've already told Tali about CJ threatening to temporarily block Moon for "continuing to dismiss what i say" and i gave him a warning telling him that if he does so, he will get blocked and it won't be temporary, it will be permanent ToTheEdge (talk) 15:26, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for solving all the problems he's causing. I tried telling him to stop, he wouldn't listen. Robin (talk) 15:30, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

i solved jack shit and honestly i think i demonstrated a lot of immaturity when trying to resolve this, so don't thank me ToTheEdge (talk) 15:52, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

First off, me threatening to block was not directed to Moon, it was directed to Robin. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 16:31, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

That doesn't change the fact that you are abusing your power. Robin (talk) 16:35, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

i agree CJ, you need to at least take a break and consult with Raidarr and Tali on how to become better, because right now, i'm not even sure if i want you to be as much as autopatrolled, i wasn't even mad in the beginning, i offered a solution and you rejected it because it's your way or the highway, stop it, be better, i know you are better than this, Raidarr and Tali know you are better than this, everybody knows you are better than this, you yourself know you are better than this, so start acting like it, like i said, i am not even that mad i just tried to do what a moderator should do and help put an end to this, but you had to stretch what should have been a 1 hour debate at most into a day-long bitching session, it would not have been that hard to come to an agreeable solution because every company sucks in their own way, and besides EA did not always mistreat their subsidiaries in fact they were founded on the principle that games are art ToTheEdge (talk) 17:42, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

l @Pacman64fanj, get over here, we have a problem with CJ’s abuse of power.--TheMoonandEarth (talk) 16:37, July 2, 2024 (UTC) Thank you, ToTheEdge.

I know that they did made some bad decisions back then, but it wasn't as bad as it is now, at least back then they didn't done that much microtransation like now, and they did still made plenty of good games in the 2000s so yeah, the page should be moved to (2017-present) or at least to 2011, and CJ, stop abusing of your power, that won't change anything of the quality of the company itself. Pacman64fanj (talk) 16:52, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Microtransactions ≠ bad games.

By that logic, Dead Space 2008 is bad.

Honestly, I'm tired, but I won't stop until you get the point CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 16:56, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

It's the consense, and if this wiki is based in the consense, we should move it to 2017.

Consensus ≠ Always right. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 17:01, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

I know, but this wiki should be based in the consensus.

Dude, I already made my points, your only point is "THEY MADE A LOT OF GOOD GAMES IN THE PAST, AND THEREFORE, THEY WERE GOOD!!!", which falls flat when someone comes with a list counting ALL the bad business practices. Also worth mentioning other things like their crunch culture, which has been going for more than a decade, and you say I cheery pick, but you openly omit my other points, and you refuse to pull other arguments other than " THEY MADE A LOT OF GOOD GAMES IN THE PAST!!!!" CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 17:06, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

We know that not all the games with microtransactions are bad, but technically, Mario Kart Tour would be a good game if we remove the microtransactions, since they are BIG problems and annoy a lot the players. YouTubePoop2000 (talk) 17:09, July 2, 2024 (UTC) Of course they were not perfect, but these flaws are not related to the games and yes, the games are the most important part on the company. Their commercial pratics, while bad, doesn't affect the players of their games. We should put those in bad qualities, but because of the games, we should put EA in the good media (pre-2017, of course) YouTubePoop2000 (talk) 17:10, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Bruh. Their business practices are important, otherwise it's fanboying the company. That was a big issue with the original Qualitipedia with pages like Nintendo, as it's essentially telling their business practices should be ignored, because you don't think they can affect the playerbase. Crunch culture is harmful to people in general, their games don't dictate a company, in fact, business practices are MORE important than their games, and we saw plenty of companies being shit even when they publish good games. If the company sucks at PR, and in business practices, they just suck altogether. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 17:13, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

so Nintendo is scummy as hell are we gonna say the company is all bad because of how they treat their consumers? ToTheEdge (talk) 17:30, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

@Robin Template:ToTheEdge Let's argue with CJ here. Yes, crunch culture is terrible. I know that. But as I said before, that doesn't affect the PLAYERS of the games. If they had fun, then EA made what it was supposed to. The only think I kinda can understand is crunch culture. That's not right to do. But any other argument, such as "worst award"... Awards are lies. And those flaws could be ignored because their games were great and that's they were supposed to do. YouTubePoop2000 (talk) 17:22, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

You know that dismissing crunch culture comes off as heartless, y'know? The Consumerist rightfully awarded EA for Worst Company in America in 2012 and 2013, and they were voted by people, ok? Maybe you should do some research instead of just finding strawman arguments to satisfy your points. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 17:25, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

The Consumerist is not like The Game Awards. They're more reliable, since they focus on the business side. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 17:26, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

I literally said I ignore all the flaws EXCEPT crunch culture very clearly, why did you say I ignored crunch culture? YouTubePoop2000 (talk) 17:39, July 2, 2024 (UTC) @Pacman64fanj Solve the things here.

Sorry, my mistake. I misread that. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 17:48, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Also, how are other things lies, when Robin himself admitted those happened (although he dismissed them as not big deal) CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 17:49, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Alright. Back to the topic, we should know if this page should be moved or not @Robin, @ToTheEdge, what do you think? YouTubePoop2000 (talk) 17:53, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it should be moved to 2017-present or even 2012-present. Anything that isn't

2000s or 90s related. Robin (talk) 07:52, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Dude, don't exclusively rely on consensus. You should think by yourself. If they happen to disagree with them, they should fuck off. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 17:54, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

What I mean by that is read, and understand who's in the wrong. Just read, not ask others for consensus. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 17:55, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

2011-present works for me because that was before they got voted worst company in America, i agree that it should not be 2017-present but i could handle it being something like 2006-present ToTheEdge (talk) 17:56, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

No, it should be moved somewhere in 2010s.

Robin (talk) 07:52, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Nope. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 17:57, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

I literally brought other examples, such as cancelling Thrill Kill, killing various franchises, monopoly of several studios, and crunch culture, which have been going for way before the 2000s CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 17:58, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

okay but Thrill Kill was incredibly violent and that is why it was cancelled as that would have fucked their PR and companies need their PR to remain somewhat... in existence i guess ToTheEdge (talk) 17:59, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

They would have still existed, since they were still rich. The game also got an AO, and if that were the case, Mortal Kombat wouldn't have even existed today. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 18:02, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

False Equivalency, MK is nowhere near as violent or straight up sadistic as thrill kill ToTheEdge (talk) 18:04, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

It still got flack by the government, and Midway somehow survived, while EA and the devs not only did never got flack for it, but they also were doing fine before cancelling it, with the title being highly anticipated. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 18:07, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

that is a good point but it still is a false equivalency and besides didn't people just ignore the conservative side on topics like that by the time Thrill Kill was set to release? ToTheEdge (talk) 18:09, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

okay then why?, give us sources, otherwise your perspective will be ignored if that is all you have to say ToTheEdge (talk) 17:58, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Not worth bringing sources after last time where you dismissed my proof, by tip toeing, and using your attention span to dismiss what I provided. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 18:03, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

but the thing is i took your criticism into consideration in that rant, i am not going to do that again, and you yourself said that you would give me a second chance ToTheEdge (talk) 18:05, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Alright then. Most of the points can be found in this Wikipedia article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Electronic_Arts CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 18:06, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

i have this one last thing to say about the thrill kill situation, even if it wasn't cancelled it would not have beeen able to release without it being extremely compromised because AO games would not have been allowed to release on the PlayStation ToTheEdge (talk) 18:08, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

It would have been released regardless.

And this is exactly what happened with Mortal Kombat on Mega Drive, with it being censored, and the only way to remove censorship was through a cheat code, and yet it got blasted by the government. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 18:11, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

i still don't think sony would have permitted that knowing the censorship could be removed and it possibly still would have gotten an AO rating as the ESRB rates the entire game not the game with a code activated and the game without it ToTheEdge (talk) 18:14, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

besides back to the topic at hand, originally and for a brief time EA was good then they became shit around the time of Ultima IX and improved again roughly around the time of Burnout Paradise (by the way if you have any pointers to add to that sandboxed page please feel free to do so) and now they're just bad ToTheEdge (talk) 18:17, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

see CJ this approach you are using right here is the way to go about resolving things ToTheEdge (talk) 18:20, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

There are people who still likes that Ultima game, despite its flaws, just listen to us and believe us, In 2003 they released Medal of Honor Rising Sun, and other menorable games, also their business practices are harmless compared to what it is in 2010s, everyone except CJ agress they declined in that year. Robin (talk) 19:34, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

also you are not even at fault for this to start Robin is although being absolutely fair to him he did not see this coming, nor did Moon i only got irritated at you because you didn't pull out the source immediately and also i got unreasonably irritated myself, we both need to work on maintaining balanced perspectives ToTheEdge (talk) 18:25, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

so far what i've seen shows there was a brief period where EA improved so what i'm seeing is a EA 1994-2008, 2012-present ToTheEdge (talk) 18:13, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

No, 2012-present would actually be good enough, Nintendo also had several business practices problem, but that doesn't mean the company as a whole was bad (atleast till 2015 or so), again anything that isn't 2000s or 90s. Thrill Kill still wouldn't be allowed to be released because Sony doesn't allow AO rated games. Robin (talk) 18:18, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

@Robin Read the article ToTheEdge (talk) 18:18, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

They still haven't released any bad games in 90s and 2000s (except for ReBoot and Catwoman 2004, but that's it), and yes i have readed the article, so 2012-present would make alot more sense. Robin (talk) 18:23, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

No, you didn't. Otherwise you would have read that their business practices date as far back as 1992. Also, how many times do I have to bring the fact that business practices are more important than games themselves? It doesn't matter if they publish a lot of games, if their business practices suck, then they suck altogether. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 19:03, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

how do you feel about it being 1994/1997-2008, 2012-present? ToTheEdge (talk) 19:08, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Almost everyone agrees that it should be 2012-present, or even 2010-present (in 2010 they killed the command and conquer franchise when c&c 4 was released). So no. Robin (talk) 19:15, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

@Robin i'm sorry but this is the best you're gonna get ToTheEdge (talk) 19:22, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

They didn't do anything in the 90s outside of cancelling Thrill Kill which had a reason, it was a fucking bdsm-themed fighting game, this would be impossible to be released, especially on PlayStation. Robin (talk) 19:24, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

@Robin i'm not talking about that, i'm talking about what they did to ultima, Thrill Kill was rightfully cancelled, it would have still been cancelled today, because today it would still be going too far, no i'm talking about how they ruined ultima ToTheEdge (talk) 19:31, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

ToTheEdge listen, it should be moved to 2012-present, I think you should tell CJ that the consensus says that it should be moved to 2012-present TheMoonandEarth (talk) 19:34, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

CJ’s trying to use sources to trick you into supporting him, those sources he’s using aren’t good enough trust me, please! TheMoonandEarth (talk) 19:36, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

okay but i also read the article and it makes me think that from 1997-2008, 2012-present should be what it's moved to ToTheEdge (talk) 19:36, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Ok, but please, don’t let CJ get the best of you, he’s trying to make you join his side. TheMoonandEarth (talk) 19:37, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

We need it 2012-present TheMoonandEarth (talk) 19:38, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

to be fair Ultima XIII and Ultima IX didn't really get it the worst but they got it rough so i could see it being 2012-present ToTheEdge (talk) 19:41, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Also, these games flaws can be fixed with patches to make it play as it needed to be. Robin (talk) 19:42, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Well, that's it then. Problem solved! YouTubePoop2000 (talk) 18:31, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

i guess so @CJWorldGame32125 what do you have to say problem solved or nah? if it is ima archive this, and i'm going to try to be better at intermediating solutions to these things ToTheEdge (talk) 18:34, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Wlell, yes it should have been a problem solved already, apparently it aint. Robin (talk) 19:17, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Also, Rockstar also bought other companies and they aren't considered to be bad (till 2021), Moon and YoutubePoop are right, it should be moved in 2010s. Robin (talk) 19:28, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

CJ keeps saying the business practices of the Enterprise are more important than their games, but he never does explain WHY. While we are explaining why (they was created as a video game company, and you guessed, the most important part of the company is why were they created for. YouTubePoop2000 (talk) 19:45, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

Also @ToTheEdge, tell CJ to stop moving my edit i did on Activision Blizzard, about redeeming quality category being Activision (pre-2013), 2013 is when they started to milk the cod franchise, forget about the other franchises, etc, they didn't killed any franchise in 2000s. Also thanks for solving the problem, i appreciate this very much :). Robin (talk) 20:00, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

@Robin i do not feel like getting into anymore drama today so i'm not gonna say anything i'm just ging to move the page ToTheEdge (talk) 20:09, July 2, 2024 (UTC)

@Robin this is an archive so no responding, if you want to reopen the discussion do so on the talk page not the archive ToTheEdge (talk) 20:29, July 2, 2024 (UTC)