Talk:The Last of Us Part II
Latest comment: November 6 by Arth2003 in topic This page should be deleted
This page should be deleted
I don’t understand why this is on bad media, critics give this game universal acclaim, and just because the fans don’t agree with them means that this can be on bad media smh. TheMoonandEarth (talk) 23:48, April 2, 2024 (UTC)
- Don't be look on the critics, just look on the Internet reviewers instead. And i'm placing it this game as Mediocre media. Gamingiq7890 (talk) 23:51, April 2, 2024 (UTC)
- Why not look on the critics? TheMoonandEarth (talk) 23:52, April 2, 2024 (UTC)
- Look at all the other pages of acclaimed media, they’re on good media, so why can’t this? TheMoonandEarth (talk) 23:55, April 2, 2024 (UTC)
- These was a corrupted critics, they paid by Sony to give this game positive reviews. And why this has so many awards and then why people hate so much. I'm feel mixed bag about this game. While this game has good graphics and core gameplay is great, the story and character personality is opposite. And that's this page to be the Mediocre media category. Gamingiq7890 (talk) 23:57, April 2, 2024 (UTC)
- The word corrupt critics is overused and doesn’t make sense, it’s not like they are horrible people. TheMoonandEarth (talk) 23:59, April 2, 2024 (UTC)
- I think you just talk to SuperStreetKombat instead. Gamingiq7890 (talk) 00:01, April 3, 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, taking a look at the history of game journalism with Kane & Lynch: Dead Men, COD Black Ops review with GamePro, and so on, along with digging up by yourself about GamerGate (don't consult Wikipedia, the pages about the controversies in the wiki are hella biased) CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 21:47, June 16, 2024 (UTC)
- Plus, the bribery doesn't make them horrible people, but it surely makes them untrustworthy and puts into question their integrity CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 08:47, June 20, 2024 (UTC)
- Bribery? Do you have proof that they were bribed? That sounds like a huge conspiracy. Wikiti98 (talk) 11:15, June 20, 2024 (UTC)
- It doesn't take that long if you read the reviews by yourself, but then play the game by yourself to realize that the reviews from critics are full of s**t. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 14:54, June 20, 2024 (UTC)
- CJ what you just said about the critics was disrespectful. You are not respecting their opinions. I’m starting to think that the page on the last of us part 2 should be deleted from this site because it is causing tons of endless debates to the point of vicious arguments. Wikiti98 (talk) 18:41, June 20, 2024 (UTC)
- That's how the Internet works mate. It doesn't matter if you like it or not, what matters if your points are valid. And most of the critics made really bad points. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 05:13, June 21, 2024 (UTC)
- But you are accusing critics of bribery without any solid evidence to back it up. You saying that is how the internet works and saying that validity is what matter is just condescending to my opinion. I played that game and I liked it as the graphics were great as was gameplay. I am sick of all this debating and arguing and the fact this talk page exists proves that this game is way too controversial to be on this wiki as people are getting into endless arguments about it and I want it to stop. You made my opinions about the game feel worthless. Wikiti98 (talk) 12:41, June 21, 2024 (UTC)
- I can point out The Act Man's Hot Takes videos (especially the Elden Ring Hot Takes videos), and I'll do that until people like you will get it. People don't care about your general opinion, they're totally fine. What they want to know is why you like that game, if the points make sense or not. Also, you wanting this page deleted because it makes your opinion feel worthless is amusing, since nobody is disrespecting your opinion, and we're pretty open about people's different opinions. I have friends who have different opinions than mine, do I disrespe t them? No, because it would be incredibly disrespectful. For the critics, you don't need evidence, and while that can be helpful, you need to analyze the videos themselves, and take a closer look at the wordings. A great example of proven bribery without evidence was IGN's New Super Mario Bros. U review, which consisted of trashing the entire game, and yet somehow the score was 8/10. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 15:36, June 21, 2024 (UTC)
- But you are accusing critics of bribery without any solid evidence to back it up. You saying that is how the internet works and saying that validity is what matter is just condescending to my opinion. I played that game and I liked it as the graphics were great as was gameplay. I am sick of all this debating and arguing and the fact this talk page exists proves that this game is way too controversial to be on this wiki as people are getting into endless arguments about it and I want it to stop. You made my opinions about the game feel worthless. Wikiti98 (talk) 12:41, June 21, 2024 (UTC)
- That's how the Internet works mate. It doesn't matter if you like it or not, what matters if your points are valid. And most of the critics made really bad points. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 05:13, June 21, 2024 (UTC)
- CJ what you just said about the critics was disrespectful. You are not respecting their opinions. I’m starting to think that the page on the last of us part 2 should be deleted from this site because it is causing tons of endless debates to the point of vicious arguments. Wikiti98 (talk) 18:41, June 20, 2024 (UTC)
- It doesn't take that long if you read the reviews by yourself, but then play the game by yourself to realize that the reviews from critics are full of s**t. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 14:54, June 20, 2024 (UTC)
- Bribery? Do you have proof that they were bribed? That sounds like a huge conspiracy. Wikiti98 (talk) 11:15, June 20, 2024 (UTC)
- The word corrupt critics is overused and doesn’t make sense, it’s not like they are horrible people. TheMoonandEarth (talk) 23:59, April 2, 2024 (UTC)
- But internet reviews can be biased as well and are not always reliable. Remember that the last of us part 2 got severely review bombed as a many of the reviews involved were fake and came from people who have not actually played the game. Wikiti98 (talk) 15:11, April 3, 2024 (UTC)
- Why not look on the critics? TheMoonandEarth (talk) 23:52, April 2, 2024 (UTC)
- Well, there are TONS of instances where a game was well-recieved by critics and journalists, but not fans, which is usually an indicator that the game isn't as good as journos make it out to be. Other examples besides The Last of Us Part II include Halo 5, Final Fantasy 13, Soul Calibur V, Street Fighter X Tekken, etc. Plus, it's sometimes better to look at YouTube videos of reviewers who are just one person and not part of a company (most notably AngryJoe), as well as forums and blogs from various other websites on why a certain game is or isn't good because a lot of times, they can give out better-seasoned details on a game's overall quality than any journalist at IGN, Polygon, or even Kotaku since the people at those companies can be rather biased and give out stupid reasons on why a certain game is good or bad. SuperStreetKombat (talk) 00:19, April 3, 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, SSK, you're really smart. Gamingiq7890 (talk) 00:31, April 3, 2024 (UTC)
- That's a compliment and not sarcasm, right? SuperStreetKombat (talk) 00:47, April 3, 2024 (UTC)
- We're still fighting like 10 year old boys on a playground? Drag0n (talk) 04:51, April 3, 2024 (UTC)
- That's a compliment and not sarcasm, right? SuperStreetKombat (talk) 00:47, April 3, 2024 (UTC)
- Look if critics and fans are split on something that’s fine but what is not fine is the amount of toxic behavior from haters that has been surrounding this game. Lately there has been a lot of bullying and harassment towards the people involved with this game and people who do like part 2. This kind of behavior is not okay as Abby’s voice actress, Laura Bailey received death threats just because she voiced a certain character. This kind of behavior has got to stop as harassing actors and actresses for roles in unacceptable. Wikiti98 (talk) 03:49, April 3, 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm well aware of the toxicity surrounding the haters of this game and how they treated Laura Bailey, and what they did to her was awful. However, we, the users on this wiki, are not those particular haters, because we ourselves don't send death threats to voice actors or anybody else related to games generally disliked by the media because we (or at least we SHOULD) do our best to be objective about a game's quality in terms of gameplay and story and give fair and constructive criticism about them. SuperStreetKombat (talk) 10:26, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, SSK, you're really smart. Gamingiq7890 (talk) 00:31, April 3, 2024 (UTC)
Isn’t the bad ratings from the game mostly come from review bombing? The original does have 5.8 whereas the remaster does have 8.4. Also NBA 2K23 who have a good article there does have a user score of 4.4. Arth2003 (talk) 12:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- 5.8 is enough to make the game average, and the 8.4 is because the remaster does a solid job at improving the game, not that it makes the writing any better, which is the core element of The Last of Us series. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 13:54, June 11, 2024 (UTC)
- that sounds like only one thing matters to you for this game CJ and that is story beats. You are not takin t into account other aspects of the game. Wikiti98 (talk) 12:43, June 21, 2024 (UTC)
- Mmmmh, I wonder why I focus more on the sto- because the whole game is heavily story-driven. If you're going to make a game that's heavily focused on story, no matter if the graphics are good, or the gameplay works, if the story sucks, then the game is just weak altogether. I'm not saying this to bashing your opinion. I respect it. It's just that you shouldn't ask to delete a page because it makes your opinion feel worthless. It doesn't. If someone disrespects your opinion, we can warn them or ban them if they continue. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 15:48, June 21, 2024 (UTC)
- Hmmm...i think you shouldn't to be like this. Of course, Last of Us 2 is awesome yet mediocre and very controversial games. Now this game so controversial that really need to not deleting this page because it's very important page yet controversial. I can sure why? Just ignore this good review like this, ignored it.
- For Witi98 talking about,why Witi98. Gamingiq7890 (talk) 17:07, June 21, 2024 (UTC)
- Because i was baffled with the accusations about critics being bribed as that accusation was made without any evidence. That to me is a sign of bias people are using to demonize a game. Talking about last of us part 2 is always frustrating as it feels like no one will let me defend the game. Wikiti98 (talk) 18:49, June 21, 2024 (UTC)
- Did, did, did you even read my example of the NSMBU review by IGN? It didn't need proof to make people realize there was some corruption behind it (dude talking trash about the game, and yet somehow the game got an 8/10). TLOU2 reviews by critics are obviously scripted, and as I said before, sometimes you DON'T need to provide evidence, you can simply look at the videos, and realize they're full of s**t. At the very least, you can dismiss the critics' reviews as terrible bias, especially since somehow the game got a 10/10 despite getting blasted, and yet somehow SpongeBob Battle for Bikini Bottom - Rehydrated got a score as low as a 2/10 even though that game was highly praised. And look, you may think no one is going to defend your opinion, but in actuality, you can stay calm with your what you can call unpopular opinion, and if someone disrespects it, they get warned or banned. You don't have to worry about your opinion, you can express your opinions all you want, and you don't have to feel guilty because you might like a game the wiki says it's not good. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 19:50, June 21, 2024 (UTC)
- No I did not read that review because you did not provide the link to it. Also the SpongeBob game was rated 5 out of 10 by IGN and not a 2. I requested that the last of us part 2 game to have its page here deleted because there were too many arguments about the game that just turned endless and nasty and I was taking a precaution in preventing more arguments over the game from breaking out once the second season of the game’s HBO counterpart releases since that season will be adapted from part 2. I am tired of arguing with you Wikiti98 (talk) 20:37, June 21, 2024 (UTC)
- You can simply search the NSMBU review by your own. It's not that difficult. Also, where did I even mention IGN with the SpongeBob game? I said critics in general. And the the one that gave the game a 2/10 is GameSpot. Also, we can simply lock the talk until the second season will come out, which won't be anytime soon btw. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 21:06, June 21, 2024 (UTC)
- No I did not read that review because you did not provide the link to it. Also the SpongeBob game was rated 5 out of 10 by IGN and not a 2. I requested that the last of us part 2 game to have its page here deleted because there were too many arguments about the game that just turned endless and nasty and I was taking a precaution in preventing more arguments over the game from breaking out once the second season of the game’s HBO counterpart releases since that season will be adapted from part 2. I am tired of arguing with you Wikiti98 (talk) 20:37, June 21, 2024 (UTC)
- Did, did, did you even read my example of the NSMBU review by IGN? It didn't need proof to make people realize there was some corruption behind it (dude talking trash about the game, and yet somehow the game got an 8/10). TLOU2 reviews by critics are obviously scripted, and as I said before, sometimes you DON'T need to provide evidence, you can simply look at the videos, and realize they're full of s**t. At the very least, you can dismiss the critics' reviews as terrible bias, especially since somehow the game got a 10/10 despite getting blasted, and yet somehow SpongeBob Battle for Bikini Bottom - Rehydrated got a score as low as a 2/10 even though that game was highly praised. And look, you may think no one is going to defend your opinion, but in actuality, you can stay calm with your what you can call unpopular opinion, and if someone disrespects it, they get warned or banned. You don't have to worry about your opinion, you can express your opinions all you want, and you don't have to feel guilty because you might like a game the wiki says it's not good. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 19:50, June 21, 2024 (UTC)
- Because i was baffled with the accusations about critics being bribed as that accusation was made without any evidence. That to me is a sign of bias people are using to demonize a game. Talking about last of us part 2 is always frustrating as it feels like no one will let me defend the game. Wikiti98 (talk) 18:49, June 21, 2024 (UTC)
- Mmmmh, I wonder why I focus more on the sto- because the whole game is heavily story-driven. If you're going to make a game that's heavily focused on story, no matter if the graphics are good, or the gameplay works, if the story sucks, then the game is just weak altogether. I'm not saying this to bashing your opinion. I respect it. It's just that you shouldn't ask to delete a page because it makes your opinion feel worthless. It doesn't. If someone disrespects your opinion, we can warn them or ban them if they continue. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 15:48, June 21, 2024 (UTC)
- that sounds like only one thing matters to you for this game CJ and that is story beats. You are not takin t into account other aspects of the game. Wikiti98 (talk) 12:43, June 21, 2024 (UTC)
The core issue here is that only one type of review is being used here, namely critic reviews. Ideally, an equal amount of critic/audience reviews would adequately determine what perspective a page on a product should be in; the IMDb page for the game shows that it received mixed-to-positive reception, so it's not hard to make the claim that the page is negatively biased. I believe an expansion of the positive qualities is necessary as a first step to resolving this conflict. Tali64³ (talk) 21:28, June 21, 2024 (UTC)
- Don't forget the sources on Metacritic and YouTube reviews. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 21:39, June 21, 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, the remaster which is practically the same game with the exact same story does have a 7.8 from user scores which sounds this game got vindicated by history. Plus how can a story-driven game with a "bad story" get 7.8, it would makes no sense. Arth2003 (talk) 10:48, November 6, 2024 (UTC)
I think this game is way too polarizing to have his own topic
Despite the backlash so many peoples still love this game, when checking the user rating on Metacritic is 50/50 positive and negative. Arth2003 (talk) 19:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)